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==== EMS, XP Home Edition, AREV (AREV Specific) ====
=== At 27 MAR 2003 03:00:42PM Charles Milner wrote: ===
 
{{tag>"AREV Specific"}}
 
<QUOTE>
I have a Toshiba laptop running Windows XP Home Edition.

When I run AREV, it cannot detect EMS memory.

The properties for short-cut have EMS set to "Auto". I have also tried other settings such as 1024 or 2048.



I have a desktop PC running XP Pro, with no problems.

And another desktop running XP Home, also no problems.

So I think it must be something weird about the laptop.

Suggestions?
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=== At 27 MAR 2003 09:06PM Steve Smith wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>I run AREV on a Toshiba 2800 series laptop using EMM.



High video resolution or other processes under Windows may be hampering the availability of EMM page frames being set up inside the memory between 640KB and 1MB. Try running in full screen mode.



Do you have the latest video drivers loaded?? These can be downloaded from the Toshiba site. 



The CDROM and DVD drivers load by default - try unloading these temporarily from the System Tray and see if you can get EMM established in your session. Also check that the CONFIG.NT runs the EMM setup statements by default.



Steve



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=== At 28 MAR 2003 04:11AM Hippo wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>Search the forum...

Typical problem with EMS is making a page frame available.

Try setup and release some unneeded option.

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=== At 01 APR 2003 02:50AM Patrick Caufield wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>I have a simular problem except I uninstalled xp home on a dell

inspiron 2650.  I have searched the online discussion and have found lots of help but to no avail.



Things I tried

1. %systemroot%\system32\command.com in a new _default.pif file, set ems memory to auto, 4096, 8192

2. changed the arev pif memory to auto, 4096, 8192 with extended set to auto, none

3. downloaded emm386 from microsoft: error message a manager is already running

4. upgraded the bios

5. upgraded win2000 to serv pack 3 no help, uninstalled sp 3 then installed sp2 still no help

6. connected dell tech support not much help so far they can not even tell if this machine can run ems memory.



Does anyone out there have any ideas?



Pat at Escrow, inc.     

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=== At 01 APR 2003 08:43PM Patrick Caufield wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>Charles I donot kown if you solved your problem if you have not I just tried a link from microsoft http://www.tech24inc.com/pss.asp 



they are suppose to get back with me tomarrow with a solution. I will let you know if they fixed my problem.



Pat at Escrow, inc.

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=== At 12 JUN 2003 07:03PM Chris Foster wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>I'm having the same problem with a 2650 and a 5100.  The tech didn't even know what the NTVDM was.

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=== At 13 JUN 2003 06:35AM Joe Doscher wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>Sounds like you have tried everything in everybodies bag of tricks. One I did not see that worked on a WinBook running ME, that the company told me EMS was not supported, was this: make sure the HIMEN.sys is available and in your config.nt( this was already in another responce ). Then make sure the EMM386 or an other mem mgr. is available and in your config.nt. EMM386 has an M switch "/M" with several settings. With the WinBook "ME" I kept trying each "M" swich option and cold rebooted each time and one worked.



I don't know if you tried this yet but???



Hope it helps



Joe Doscher

Rev. Tech. Support

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=== At 13 JUN 2003 09:26AM Matt Sorrell wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>Joe,



I have run across that suggestion on this site before.



Specifically, I have found that the M5 option works best.



The syntax I use is:



DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE RAM M5



The M5 region is the last region, and tends to be left alone the most.  Most often when I set this up, you receive a warning message from Windows/emm386 that the page frame address is not empty.  If you ignore the message, after about 5 seconds the system continues booting, and there are no other issues.  Using M values of 1-4 I would also get the message, but would then later get a Windows kernel panic.



My guess is that as the system is booting up, the M5 region is temporarily used.  EMM386 then loads into this region, but because it was only temporarily used, there are no ill effects.



msorrel@greyhound.com

[url=http://www.greyhound.com]Greyhound Lines, Inc.[/url]

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=== At 13 JUN 2003 10:53AM Donald Bakke wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>Matt,



I had the same experience you did with the M5 switch. It was the ONLY way to get EMS support on my ThinkPad. However, after I upgraded from Win98 to Win2000 or WinXP I lost all ability to get EMS. This command line isn't supported in the CONFIG.NT file.



We are exploring an alternative solution to this problem. There's a program called Virtual PC put out by a company called [url=http://www.connectix.com/index_win.html]Connectix[/url]. This emulates almost any OS you want by creating it's own self-contained environment, including BIOS emulation. Consequently, we have been able to run AREV with full EMS support through Virtual PC on machines that don't natively support EMS.



This might not be a great or financially viable way to run AREV with EMS but at least it's an option.



dbakke@srpcs.com

[url=http://www.srpcs.com]SRP Computer Solutions, Inc.[/url]



[img]http://www.srpcs.com/srpicon1.gif[/img]

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=== At 03 SEP 2004 09:54AM S Botes wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>IBM thinkpads and other laptops. Many of these use up all of the memory area between 640K and 1 meg for bios functions. IBM in particular uses this area for the capability to boot from USB devices and network drives. By going into the bios and disabling these functions a 4k page can be found by the operating system to setup the necessary structure to use EMS memory. I am using a T42p and have been able to get things to work. 

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=== At 08 SEP 2004 10:12AM Ralph Johler wrote:  ===

<QUOTE>Opps, another product removed from circulation, but due out Real Soon Now (no mention of a DOS vm):



[url=http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/previous/default.mspx] Connectix[/url]




[url=http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/Feb03/02-19PartitionPR.asp] Owned![/url]




sigh...

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