I just changed to Windows 2000. FWIW:

- I discovered that some programs (OI apps and Regedit) no longer showed hot keys in menus underlined. Solution: see .

- I haven't seen the problems with System Editor that some of you have reported (window doesn't scroll after search; when opening a row the row name must be keyed in instead of just doubleclicked). (And I've got a wheel mouse too.)

- And OI starts blindingly fast for a change.

- Oystein -

A problem that I have found is when typing a row name in the Open Record dialog box of the System Editor, the letters begin to reverse themselves. So usually I have to cut and paste the record key in that fields in order for it to appear correctly.

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Don,

I see this under NT. However, if you hit the "REFRESH" button and force all the names to display, then you can type the name without this reverse effect. At least this is the peculiar behavior I see under NT. Haven't tried this under 2000 yet.

Ciao,

Ray

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Hi all

I had that reverse effect too. When I was out at the NT site, no problem but when I dialed up (with PC anywhere) the open record stuff in system editor went backwards. Ie the cursor got reset to the beginning of the input field after each character was input.

I had two work arounds for this. First was to hit the end key in between each character, which put the cursor back at the end of the line where you'd expect.

dnoceS. sdrawkcab gnihtyreve depyt I.

Which isn't so hard when you normally have to compensate for a tendancy to type characters in muddled order.

Ttocs, SML

Don/Ray/Scott,

No sign of this anomaly here. I feel luckier and luckier.

- Oystein -

Oystein,

May the version they sell in Norway is different ;-]

Ray

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Ray,

If it's the version of Win 2000 you're thinking of I'm just glad it's different from the Win Me I chucked out!!!

- Oystein -

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.k2w ot hctiws ot ylrae ot s'ti ees nac I

                                    edli

.daeha og haN

!ti ekil ll'uoY

yar

You too?

I've found that sometime, with just the right combination of ctrl, shift and arrow keys (always mistyped, fat-finger problem) the scrollbar for the system editor edit box moved to the left hand side. More strange than a problem, but it's still odd.

It's like driving on the wrong side of the road.

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I'm sure it is. We've seen all sorts of problems that seem to occur on only one country's version of the operating system. Some of these are related to printer drivers, others seem to be related to networking. There are times I'm tempted to say that if you can get it, use the US version. But, even those are slipstreamed.

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After loading ME, well, there were a few other words I was putting in front of the ME.

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It's like driving on the wrong side of the road.

Yeah, like on the left hand side…

dbakke@srpcs.com

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Hi All

About the versioning thing.

Sometimes Bill & co put a patch out (called a service pack) but often that just makes things worse.

What some of the companies that I work for have is something called "Micro$oft $elect. So if you are special friends of Bill's and subscribe, they send you a box full of their product every month including stuff in every language spoken by more than 1000 people on the planet (well it seems like it - anyone for basque?, how about Gaelic, would that be Irish Gaelic or Welsh Gaelic?, what about a rap-homeboy version?) What they also do is issue new versions of things that are halfway useful, like operating systems, that include some of the "fixes" that they put in the service packs.

Meanwhile, back in the retail stores, they have Win98 sitting there since July 98 maybe, with no updates, while the Win98 cd that came out in the August 2000 $elect box has all sorts of fixes built in and works differently. Perhaps not completely differently but differently enough to change the more esoteric problems that you might be getting.

So I find things like the copy of product that I was supplied on my brand new PC is not nearly as good as what I get from my work. Format C: and start over.

Given that they (M$) issue most things in US english first and Norwegian would come some time later, the Norwegian version has a really good chance of being on a more up to date version of the base system. I don't like your chances of getting a better (newer) system in US English unless you are a M$ $ubcriber.

An interesting side note is that Mirco$oft have been trying to change the name of "US English" to plain old "English", but this hasn't been very successful with anyone, USA people like to feel special and "plain old" isn't special, and the rest of the English speaking people tend to resent being told that their English isn't proper by people who can't get it right in the first place. Deaf to Yankee spill chuckers. (ooh thut filt Kiwi).

Scott, LMS

Our steering wheel is on the right side of the car. So we drivers are on the right side of the car.

Everything is relative. When right is wrong and left is just sinister. Left turns are easy, right turns are a pain, except in NZ where all turns are scary.

Scott, LMS

When I installed Windows 2000 and did the language settings I read I could change the keyboard layout by typing a certain key combination/sequence - in my case between Norwegian and US. (I recall thinking I might happen to type this key combination by accident, but deciding I'd recognize a US layout soon enough and remember the reason. I was also offered to change the key combination, making it even easier to stumble across.)

Do you think the problems you describ could somehow be related? Backwards typing sounds like what you'd want for Hebrew and Arabic. I don't know if scrollbars are on the left side for systems in these languages, but it doesn't seem too unlikely.

- Oystein -

Contrary to what my fellow Sprezzicles think, we do drive on the right (proper, correct) side.

Actually Don, I've been in England the last few days and doing my first bit of driving, hence the driving on the wrong side comment. Took a little time to get used to shifting. A couple of times I slammed it into 1st doing about 40 down the road.

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Look you guys, here in Sydney, Australia (you know 2000 Olympic city, Best Place on Earth etc, etc, using Australian English) we are using Windows 2000 with OI 3.7.2 and it works ok (well… as well as a 16bit, 10 year old environment could be expected too).

All I want to know how the hell do you Cut and Paste into the Editor thing that supposedly replaces TCL from Arev??

Drag and Drop anybody ??

We also drive on the correct side of the road.

Kyle,

Since, as you pointed out, that this is a 10-year old environment then you simply use 10-year old methods for cut/copy/paste into the Exec line of the System Editor:

Shift-Insert=Paste

Shift-Delete=Cut

I forget what Copy is at this moment.

dbakke@srpcs.com

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Don,

I forget what Copy is at this moment.

CtrlInsert=Copy

and of course

CtrlC

Ray

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Ray,

CtrlC

Not in the Sys Ed Exec Line though!

- Oystein -

Oystein,

Not in the Sys Ed Exec Line though!

Oh you must have the Norweigian version. It works fine here.

Ray

P.S. Just Kidding!!!

Ray

Du må ikke tulle med meg så seint på kvelden.

God natt!

- Øystein -

Oystein,

Da De vetI ikke taler Norweigian. Så vil De vær så snill og skriver i English? Jeg håper De Deang. ikke ordspråk noe som helst embarassing.

God Night

Ray

P.S. Se De i Mountain av deres stamfar!

Ray,

No, just idle talk. Nothing embarrassing.

Where did you get your translation done?

I managed to get sense of most of it, but that "Mountain of their ancestor" place we're supposed to meet surely got me mystified.

- Oystein -

The old-fashioned shortcut for Undo is Alt-Backspace. (Ctrl-Z is the modern one.) Alt-Backspace used to work in System Editor. But not under Windows 2000.

To be more specific: Used in a child window Alt-Backspace does nothing at all to the edited text. In the Exec Line Alt-Backspace still does its thing. But in both cases the focus leaves for some unknown place. It's not like when you accidentally hit the Alt key and can get the focus back with the Esc key. I mouse click is (almost) necessary.

Gå mann kor teit!

- Oystein -

Here are a few more annoyances I've had with System Editor under Windows 2000, when working on large rows (SPs):

Ctrl-Alt-C (Convert Case) brings System Editor down.

Ctrl-Alt-R and Ctrl-Alt-L (Shift Right and Shift Left) don't work, but changes the current position downwards.

When some text is selected, Shift-F3 (Search | Find) normally uses that text as the text to search for. Now the previous search text is used instead.

I use these features a lot and haven't seen them fail in Win 9x. (Can't tell about NT, though.)

- Oystein -

Oystein,

Alt-Backspace used to work in System Editor. But not under Windows 2000.

I didn't know that Alt-Backspace was an Undo. Yes, sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Oh yes in answer to your translation question, I found "freetranslation.com" on the Web. It can translate English to Norweigian, but not Norweigian into English. I glad that you could read some of it and the bit about the "Mountain." Heck what do you expect, the translation was free and you know what they say, "you get what you paid for."

Se De sen min venn,

Ray

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