Cut/Copy/Paste in System Editor Exec Line (OpenInsight Specific)
At 21 MAR 2001 10:28:31AM Oystein Reigem wrote:
There's one place in OpenInsight where the common accelerator keys for Cut/Copy/Paste, i.e, ctrl-X/ctrl-C/ctrl-V, don't work properly, and that's in the System Editor Exec Line. In the Exec Line one must use Shift-Del/Ctrl-Ins/Shift-Ins. If one tries to use Ctrl-X/ctrl-C/ctrl-V in the Exec Line the Cut/Copy/Paste does its work in the current document (stored procedure or row) instead of in the Exec Line. This makes the Exec Line awkward and dangerous to use. If one relies on standard accelerator keys and doesn't pay attention it's easy to make mistakes. Myself I often keep useful commands in a text document and Copy/Paste between the document and the Exec Line.
Any comments?
My OI is version 3.61.
- Oystein -
At 21 MAR 2001 10:45AM Donald Bakke wrote:
It's become second nature now to switch between the methods but I agree, making the Exec line consistant with the rest of Windows would be nice. I've often wondered what the reason for designing it this was. Now I wonder how easy it would be to fix. It's easy for us to think that this might be trivial (…just go to the menu designer and assign different keyboard shortcuts…) but I doubt the solution is quite as easy as that.
dbakke@srpcs.com
At 21 MAR 2001 11:47AM [url=http://www.sprezzatura.com" onMouseOver=window.status=Click here to visit our web site?';return(true)]The Sprezzatura Group[/url] wrote:
Gosh Don you're giving away your relative youth here! Early versions of Windows used the Ins/Del keystrokes. Took me ages to unlearn for Ctrl-V/X/C!!!
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At 21 MAR 2001 02:41PM [url=http://www.sprezzatura.com]The Sprezzatura Group[/url] wrote:
I still use the Ins/Del key combinations. That's probably why I never noticed that the "new and improved" keystrokes aren't really all that improved.
Ctrl-Ins - Copy
Shift-Ins - Paste
Shift-Del - Cut
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At 21 MAR 2001 04:54PM Oystein Reigem wrote:
I grew up with the old Windows Del/Ins keystrokes for Cut, Copy and Paste.
(No that's not strictly true. It's more correct to say I grew up with clever combinations of keying, skipping and using one hand to keep one of the punch cards from moving…)
If it wasn't for some programs that don't understand the old keystrokes I'd probably still use the old keystrokes all the time. Now I need both, and use both.
The old ones are brilliant if you are used to navigating and selecting with the keyboard alone. Then all the keys you need to navigate, select and cut/copy/paste are in two small clusters at each end of the keyboard. Doing that is the closest I get to touch typing. Which I never learned.
- Oystein -
At 21 MAR 2001 09:45PM Scott, LMS wrote:
Hi all
For the exec line I don't use cut and paste at all. I type the whole line, although I do reuse and edit lines from the drop down list.
I think having gotten very used to CTRL + V/C/X, that swapping to the right hand side of the keyboard would severly interfere with my right hand mousing I use to select what and where I want to cut and paste. ie Left hand cuts and pastes, right hand selects and positions. I am not swapping to left mouse.
Scott.
At 22 MAR 2001 04:42AM Oystein Reigem wrote:
Scott,
But the drop down list doesn't remember from earlier sessions. Meaning you always have to write a lot.
About cut/copy/paste: In the future we will have voice commands for these and everything will all right.
- Oystein -
At 22 MAR 2001 01:03PM Colin Rule wrote:
There is a simpler solution folks….
Right click on the Exec line gives Cut/Copy/Paste/Delete/Undo etc.
Still works as expected, without the keyboard shortcuts.
Colin
At 22 MAR 2001 01:05PM [url=http://www.sprezzatura.com" onMouseOver=window.status=Click here to visit our web site?';return(true)]The Sprezzatura Group[/url] wrote:
Sorry Colin - adding a mouse into the equation for keyboard freaks is in fact NOT making it simpler .
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At 22 MAR 2001 01:36PM Don Miller - See Thru Ink wrote:
Oy ..
Just like good old Wordstar. My 049 punch skills are still with me although punching paper tape was always a grand treat in a TTY.
Don M.
At 22 MAR 2001 01:57PM [url=http://www.sprezzatura.com" onMouseOver=window.status=Click here to visit our web site?';return(true)]The Sprezzatura Group[/url] wrote:
The IBM 049? Were you a Fortran programmer?
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At 23 MAR 2001 04:12AM Oystein Reigem wrote:
I for one still have a few pads of Fortran coding forms lying around… - Oystein -
At 23 MAR 2001 04:16AM Oystein Reigem wrote:
Yeah. Right. Did you ever see Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson using a mouse? - Oystein -
At 23 MAR 2001 04:54AM [url=http://www.sprezzatura.com" onMouseOver=window.status=Click here to visit our web site?';return(true)]The Sprezzatura Group[/url] wrote:
Green for Fortan, Blue for Cobol?
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At 23 MAR 2001 05:37AM Oystein Reigem wrote:
Are you a collector? The Cobol forms are printed in green and were made by IBM. The Fortran are printed in black and were made in a collaboration between by some Norwegian council for education in practical skills (crafts and industry), and the Norwegian University Publishers.
- Oystein -
At 23 MAR 2001 05:56AM [url=http://www.sprezzatura.com" onMouseOver=window.status=Click here to visit our web site?';return(true)]The Sprezzatura Group[/url] wrote:
There are limits to even my sadness .
First place I programmed ForTran and CoBOL couldn't afford double entry so the sheets came back with more bugs than originally entered.
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At 23 MAR 2001 07:46AM Oystein Reigem wrote:
Tell you what. If you are a sad collector deep at heart but afraid to come out of the closet, you can always collect for somebody else. I did that with beer bottle caps for a while.
- Oystein -
At 23 MAR 2001 07:47AM [url=http://www.sprezzatura.com" onMouseOver=window.status=Click here to visit our web site?';return(true)]The Sprezzatura Group[/url] wrote:
Could you sign them for my son?
Oh hang on, I don't have a son….
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