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At 17 NOV 2003 12:26:09PM W Woodbury wrote:

Can any/all of you give me a general feel for the going rate for AREV programmers (fee/hour)? I would really appreciate it.


At 17 NOV 2003 12:26PM dsig@sigafoos.org wrote:

We know what we are ..

We just haggle over the price

dsig@sigafoos.org

DSigs Radio Free Oregon


At 17 NOV 2003 12:26PM Steve Smith wrote:

With how many years' experience?

With what other hardware skills?

With what other software skills?

In what country?

With how many references?

One way is to go to the websites run by Personnel Agencies (Job advertisements), and see how many AREV jobs are advertised, and what prices are offered for these services. Given that it's DOS-based, you may find such positions comparatively rare.

Steve


At 17 NOV 2003 12:26PM W Woodbury wrote:

Steve,

Thank you for the advise. My problem is that most websites/employers don't advertise what they want to pay, that's why I was asking here. I have 10 yrs experience with AREV, and many, many other programming languages, a BS in CS with a minor in busniess. What I'm really after is a ballpark. I have been employed fulltime for so long I don't know what the going rate for consulting is. It would really help if I could get some ideas from all of you out there!

TIA


At 17 NOV 2003 12:26PM Richard Hunt wrote:

25 dollars per hour if you think you are not all that good, or you are slow.

Anywhere from 50 dollars to 100 dollars per hour. If you have good references and the company is in need go high. If you are kinda desperate then give a low introductory rate with bonuses due at the end of the project.

I am considering that you will be a "contractor", not an employee. This does allow for fringe benefits and the employer taxes you will be paying yourself.

Once you build a relationship, you could increase the rate slowly. Most companies need to be trained that good quality programming is expensive, and that pour quality programming is cheap.

I would imagine that the company is looking for an employee or a contractor at an employee rate. Unless you are desperate… do not give them "quality" programming at a "cheap" rate.

Go for the money. If they don't want to pay that much, then work with them on a project fee (this project will cost this much).


At 17 NOV 2003 12:26PM Gray Cunningham wrote:

lol


At 17 NOV 2003 12:26PM W Woodbury wrote:

Boy are you two helpfull. Thanks alot.


At 17 NOV 2003 12:26PM dsig@sigafoos.org wrote:

First .. the 'we know what we are .. we just haggle over the price' is very true. There are very few johns who have ever wanted their money back from this one

Okay .. you want a serious response ..

Please answer these questions:

1) Location (city and state)

2) Is this your home or are you travelling

3) Position

4) Responsibilities

a) supervising

b) leading

c) mentoring

d) designing

e) implementing

f) testing

g) interface with clients (other depts or outside clients)

h) support

5) long term or short term (you have to decide)

6) travel

7) current lifestyle

8) family

a) wife

b) nbr of children

c) nbr of pets

Once you do this .. then you roll it all together is the 'Sigulator' to come up with a 'minimum' that you will take. When I run my 'SigULator' it usually comes up with .. do you really want to do this?

Some people I know say 120/hr regardless. For them this is fine but being a 'one man shop' with the occasional associates tagged on depending on the job, I can be a little more flexible.

Standard rate is from 40/hr to 80/hr. Short term contracts have an adder (per diem) for expenses. The swing is determined by who and what the job is for. Non-Profits tend to become my non-profits . Banks and places that tend to be on my 'iffy' scale of social goodness tend to get charged a lot more (steal from the rich to give to the poor).

I very seldom go higher than 90/hr simply because if find it a bit .. umm over the top.

The bottom line is YOU have to decide what you need, what you feel you are worth and then add in a fudge factor for all the CD's you (i) buy

Although you want to be in the 'price range' of the head hunters .. the bottom line is that if you don't feel good about the work you do and what you are getting paid for it .. then don't do it

From the Hippy Side of the Mountain ..

Dsig

dsig@sigafoos.org

DSigs Radio Free Oregon


At 17 NOV 2003 12:26PM W Woodbury wrote:

Thank you for your answers! It helped alot!!

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